| lambofgod7777 |
Posted: March 16, 2007 - 10:06pm |
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Me again. Yes, I know what you're thinking. "Oh crap. Here comes that little you-know-what that is always ruining our cruel and hateful fun". I have returned... ("JAWS" music plays) I am not slamming the article. Hmm... it doesn't have me "Jumping out of my chair", though. In case you didn't notice, I love AI. In fact, while I am typing this, I am snacking on the "Take The Cake" icecream from it. =) So, I shall shorten this message with this.. GET OFF OF THE COMPUTER, GET ON A STAGE, AND LETS HERE YOU SING. Have fun!!! :~) |
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| CDillow83 |
Posted: March 20, 2007 - 6:47am |
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Joined: 20 Mar 2007
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| You guys are horrible. You know, yeah there are alot of bad singers that make there way thru. But as far as one of the comments. That you know people that could sing circles around Chris Daughtry. Some how I think not. There have been a few good singers from all of this. Carrie Underwood, Kellie Clarkson, Chris Daughtry. And I think you all are completly full of it. Of course the people that did not make it are going to say whatver you want them to say. Anyone knows that. You all are so wonderful let me tell you. You have so much talent that you have to start some stupid website to dog other people on. Thing is, you will never in your whole life have half the money, fame or fortune that SOME of these American Idol's do. So, you know what. Dog the show, makes fools out of yourselves. But the show is here to stay. And more importantly, the contestants who do do well, are still going to be famous and have a life. You are still going to be sitting at home running your stupid site to put down the ones who are bad. So have fun with it, and please do tell me if anyone ever really gives a crap what you think. |
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| brooke_lnvll |
Posted: March 20, 2007 - 11:42pm |
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Joined: 20 Mar 2007
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| Finally, someone who makes some sense on here. Amen to you!!! Chris Daughtry is amazing! Plus, I actually liked Kellie Pickler last season. I was shocked that she was a VFTW pick! |
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| ItsMeDeb |
Posted: March 21, 2007 - 12:46pm |
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Joined: 20 May 2006
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| Daughtry is amazing...amazingly shitty.
You both suck. |
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| jomama423 |
Posted: March 21, 2007 - 11:25pm |
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Joined: 28 Feb 2007
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| And before you start mouthing off, let's see you spell HEAR correctly.
Idiot. |
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| Doctor Bob |
Posted: March 25, 2007 - 4:51am |
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Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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| This web site is a bogus as American Idol. AI is nothing more than a Clive Davis "Focus Group" like he's had since before most of you idiots were born. In the 70s, Davis used to send his recordings to Dallas to a focus group that sent them to people to be judged as a hit or not. Talent didn't matter, it was whether or not the one song they sent from Davis was judged by a group of people. True talent died in the music industry long before the bean counters like Fox took over. Simon Cowell is a British egomaniac who would not know real talent if it was sitting on his face. Paula Abdul was a weak star of sorts, a fair dancer and a terrible singer. She's having fun pretending being a superstar while she's handpicking contestants to sleep with. When will she get caught with one of the females? It won't be long. Randy Jackson is the only one of the three with any musical talent yet he is overshawdowed by the other two jerkoffs. The popularity of American Idol is nothing more than an illusion created by a music mogul who knows the real secret to American culture: "no one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." Clive makes millions and millions more, total zero Simon makes millions and his ego grows, Paula gets laid, Randy gets disrespected and the show goes on. And the old sick greedmonger, Rupert Murdoch, gets richer letting these people scam the public. But the worst part is that America falls for it. Like George Bush, American Idol is making Americans look like fools....and it is justified. |
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| idolitor |
Posted: March 25, 2007 - 12:30pm |
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Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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Ok on a similar note of how the auditions portrayed differently on television than what actually happens, I have another question. I've noticed on recent episodes where the contestants compete, that when they do the quick recap of everyone singing at the end of the show, you know, like they show a 10 second clip of every contestant - those clips are often NOT from the same performance of the song; you can tell sometimes by observing subtle differences. THe first time I noticed was when Blake Lewis sang 311's All Mixed up. When they showed his recap at the end of the show, his little beat-box riff seemed a bit off from what I remember, so I rewound (thanks Tivo) and, sure enough, it was a completely different performance, because at the same part of the song he did something completely different. Another quite obvious one was just this past week - when Melinda Doolittle sang that song from Oliver - when they showed her singing the last sentence "As long as he....neeeds...meeee" in the recap, they show her doing a rather goofy looking finger-pointing hand at the audience while singing this last phrase, but in her actual performance earlier in the show, her hands had done something completely different. If you are able to watch these shows again on Tivo or something somehow, go back and look and you'll see what I'm talking about. Why is this important? Well this just leads me to wonder, if the contestants are actually getting to do multiple takes of these performances, how do things like Brandon Rogers forgetting his lyrics on national TV happen when they get more than one chance to perform the song? So can anyone explain this - why there seem to be multiple performances that they can take footage from? And why, if there are, people are still shown totally messing up? Do only the contestants that the producers like get a do-over or something? Any comments or explanations are appreciated. |
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| ItsMeDeb |
Posted: March 26, 2007 - 10:45pm |
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Joined: 20 May 2006
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| I believe they hold a dress rehearsal the day before the live show. |
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| pjaromin |
Posted: March 28, 2007 - 12:17pm |
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First, while it was an enjoyable read, my reaction was pretty much "DUH". Seriously...this is a TV show. You'd have to be an idiot not to realize that this stuff is heavily edited. My wife and I actually spend many of the earlier shows discussing exactly *how* we think it was edited...when something was taped, what we probably didn't see, etc. I've always been curious about the process and some of this answered a few of my questions. Unfortunatley, while I wouldn't be at all surprised if nearly everything you wrote were true, much of it is rather poorly sourced and hardly "proof." Of course, even if everything is 100% true...so what? Finally....the only real exception I have is your assertion that "We all have friends that can sing circles around Katharine McPhee and Chris Daughtry" I spent my entire 20's making a (piss-poor) living in professional musical theatre...small regional stuff and I never really made it, but I've known hundreds of professionals and have had a number of friends who have been on Broadway multiple times. I've met and worked with literally hundreds of (mostly) talented singers. While I might agree that Chris Daughtry is highly overrated, there have been a number of performers on AI, like McPhee, Clarkson and more recently Melinda Doolitle who are not nearly as common as you seem to believe. At least be open to the fact that there are others out there -- who aren't completely deaf and/or living in a hole -- who do see something special in a number of the ones who make it to the finals. |
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| Superjaya |
Posted: March 29, 2007 - 11:01am |
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Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| Well then I obviously have a chance at being the next american idol too. I should audition. lol |
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Could the show be turning down real talent? Could there be more to the audition process than we all think? Of course! Votefortheworst.com has known all about the ridiculous audition process for quite some time, so we’ve decided to do even more research to show you what really goes down at the cattle calls. If you think that American Idol is actually a talent competition, read on, and let us change your mind.
AUDITION MYTH #1: "The auditions take place over one or two days and everyone gets to see Simon, Paula, and Randy."
In actuality, the contestants are at the auditions for about a week before they even see the Loathsome Threesome. An MSNBC article explains:
So the wannabe Idols first have to try out in groups of four for a number of random producers. Then, they try out one-by-one in front of the executive producers. And finally, they try out in front of our favorite boozehound and her cohorts. This is why so many people lose their jobs to try out for the show; they have to attend auditions for a week before they even know if they’re going to Hollywood.
So what happens during these earlier auditions? Well for one thing, those obnoxious song montages that usually end the episodes are filmed then. It’s not a coincidence that all of the bad singers decided to sing the same song. Jennifer Sieminski, who made it to Hollywood during American Idol's fifth season, admits that those segments are not “even recorded in front of Simon, Paula and Randy.”
Apparently, each city has a “city song” that everyone must sing so that the producers can make the lame montages. The producers even force the people who audition to wear the same clothes to each audition so the viewers at home think the auditions all took place over the span of 1 or 2 days. They messed up with Crystal Parizanski, the overly tan girl who auditioned in Chicago for American Idol 5, who was wearing a completely different outfit during the “Lady Marmalade” montage at the end of the episode. This obviously showed that she had been there for at least a few days.
AUDITION MYTH #2: "We see a truthful depiction of each audition."
Obviously all television shows use editing to condense footage and tell stories. Reality TV, though, is particularly guilty of using editing to completely change the facts of a situation and craft stories that didn’t happen. The fact that so many rounds of auditions exist provide the producers with ample footage to cut and paste as they please. Robert Solomon (check out his MySpace), the movie projectionist who tried out for American Idol 4, was surprised to see himself singing “Dancing in the Streets” in front of the celebrity judges when his audition episode aired, because “Dancing” was the city song he was forced to sing:
So apparently, the show even goes back to record extra judge commentary that didn’t even take place. Obviously, the point of having week-long auditions isn’t just to weed out the singers the producers don’t want; it’s also to get extra footage to splice in at different points. Robert goes into more detail to prove his point for those who might not believe him, explaining that he “had also helped them out by wearing the same outfit to both auditions” as we pointed out. He also made the following valid points on why it’s obvious that the events didn’t happen the way we saw them in the show:
The producers must have found Robert’s “Dancing in the Street” much more amusing than his actual audition in front of the judges, so they used that instead. Of course, if Robert’s audition was creatively edited, it’s highly likely that most of the other auditions were as well.
AUDITION MYTH #3: "The bad singers are not encouraged by the producers."
Crystal Parizanski looked silly during her time on the show due in part to her excessive use of makeup. But was that her choice? Crystal talked to Mix 96 Montreal in a radio interview about her experience on the show. She had this to say:
Now Crystal doesn’t come off as a beacon of intelligence, but it does make it a little less funny when someone like her was tricked into looking stupider. Crystal also mentioned in the interview how her time on the show was edited and that the producers took clips from some of her auditions and put them together to make her look dumber.
AUDITION MYTH #4: "The good singers always make it through."
Even if there are many stages to the audition process, it seems like the good singers will always triumph and continue on in the competition. The producers only like to mess with the bad singers, right? Well, that's not correct at all either. In fact, the first judging process is so ridiculously random, we wonder why anyone even bothers to try out.
As we previously mentioned, the first round of auditions takes place in front of a group producers at a table, who likely aren’t even very qualified to judge a competition (then again, this never stopped Simon, Paula, and Randy). Each singer tries out with 3 other singers for these producers. After singing for a mere 15 seconds, you are told whether you’re moving on or going home. The producers are usually only on the lookout for people with stories that will sell on TV or people who will make incredible fools of themselves. One auditioner figured out that there are good tables and bad tables, meaning that it's possible that the bad tables just pass on everyone and won’t let anyone through to the next round. What if a good singer gets stuck at a bad table? Well, good luck next year! Blogger Matthew Paul David wrote about his experience at the Seattle auditions:
Of course, this sounds highly technical and very efficient at making sure all good singers get through to the next round… not. Afraidofpop shared her audition experience at the East Rutherford auditions this year:
Obviously if you’re going to cut someone who blows an entire room away, the process is either flawed or not really looking for good singers.
AUDITION MYTH #5: "Everyone has a shot at becoming the American Idol."
Jennifer also mentions in that interview that Katharine McPhee was acting like a gigantic bitch all week and that the two of them had a fight on camera.
This confrontation was obviously never shown because the show was painting Katharine as the humble girl with a beautiful voice. Of course, by the end of the show it was fairly obvious that Katharine was indeed a spoiled brat who forgot lyrics quite a few times because it’s tough to edit something out of a live show. But the producers got their “humble, sweet girl” contestant in Katharine for quite a while before her true colors came out.
Basically, the American Idol auditions are not actually auditions for a singing competition; they’re auditions for a reality television show. Why haven’t we heard more about this before? Well the people who make it to the finals are happy to have made it that far and have no bone to pick, and people tend to not believe the complaints of the contestants who were edited poorly. Also, all of the contestants (even William Hung and other people who don’t make it far at all) have to sign ridiculously long contracts that forbid them from revealing Idol’s secrets. Still don’t believe us? How about hearing it straight from the horse’s mouth? Idol producer Ken Warwick interviewed with Foxes on Idol last year. In one section, Kenny admits that the Austin auditions for season 5 were edited very creatively:
While this may have been about one isolated incident, the Austin auditions, Kenny said, “Clearly, that didn’t happen the way it is, we add things.” And if the producers have no problem leaving out that a giant hurricane made them bring certain auditioners to other cities, they certainly don’t have a problem changing smaller details as well.
__________________________So what advice do we have for the budding American Idol hopeful? First of all, don’t try out. If you’re actually talented, there are many better ways to get your name out there. But if you must try out, at least invent some kind of good story. Cry a lot on camera. Basically become a fame whore like Kellie Pickler. The producers love that. Most of all, don’t have a mind of your own like Taylor Hicks, who refused to sing his coronation song until a new one was written for him. It might make the producers mad that their puppet is talking back to them. Though if you’re willing to sell your dignity, American Idol may actually be the perfect venue for you! Just don’t say we didn’t warn you.