| ktstella |
Posted: April 6, 2007 - 5:09pm |
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| okay.. the misspelling is not a problem, everyone misspells. what i was laughing at was "looser". it's always funny when someone calls someone a "looser" - it's just ironic.
and again, the point you're missing is that there are certain tables set up with the intention of only accepting the crazies - 4 people stand side-by-side and sing 10-15 seconds of any song of their choice. it doesn't matter how good you are, if there is someone in your group who squeaks when they sing or wears a purple wig, you're doomed. and that might just be the rule of that one table.
i'm not sure if you're into country music, i'm not, but there is a show called "nashville star" which is a lot like american idol - minus the idiots - and somehow it works.
when i went from birmingham to memphis, and i miraculously ended up with the same judge (the chances of that are outrageous), she leaned forward and said, "would you like to go to a different table?" she looked worried. she said she remembered me and she liked me a lot. my biggest mistake was saying, "no, i'm okay." she said, "well, did you come prepared with a pop song?".. etc. (the rest of this story is on page 4 of these comments)
the point: what bugs people is that they are not open & honest about all of this. and yes, the agreement everyone has to sign basically signs your entire life & image away. you do have to acknowledge that you potentially are going to be made fun of, etc.
if they were more honest about it, they could show the entire audition process from the beginning... have hidden cameras set up at the booths and choose only the singers that think they're good, but are actually terrible - to air. then pick the same amount of people they normally pick, but instead of a mixed bag, make them all good.
something - anything to make the show more honest.
look, i have zero problem with the show. i completely understand what you're saying, but what i'm saying is going beyond that. i do not vote for sanjaya, i am not out to tear the show apart, but i am saying that some things should be a little different.
i completely agree that anyone running this site or voting for sanjaya has that much more time on their hands than someone who is into american idol, but then again, this could be their own form of tv show. i don't know.
i have been saying over & over that they need to turn this site into something more positive to try and make some changes to the way that AI works..
they should definitely be more honest & give people more than a 10 second chance when they spend potentially 12 hours waiting in line for 2 days just to get that chance.
i was one of the lucky ones. i got to sing an entire song, then 30 seconds of a second song. i was the only one out of my group who got long-winded, positive feedback.
and after i found out about the rules of the tables, i realized why my judge had that pained look in her eye when she was telling me all those nice things, i knew she wanted to let me through, but she couldn't. and i'm sure that happens with a lot of people. a lot.
i'm just saying, they have this teeny tiny little window open with these rules, and the rumor (that was supposedly true) that no one from alabama was to be in the top 24.
china just started their own version of american idol where any strange actions will be edited from the show. the entire show will take the contestants seriously and they will go to extreme measures to ensure that no one leaves embarrassed or humiliated.
i mean, now that the show has risen in popularity to such an extreme, there are plenty of clowns auditioning - pretending that they're horrible just so they can be on television.
it's all so fake, something really needs to be done about it.. some adjustments.
i have said over & over that i don't agree with what the site is encouraging people to do, but i do agree with WHY they're doing it.
do you understand now?
i hope you have a swell day...
love,
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| hiall |
Posted: April 6, 2007 - 10:10pm |
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| yes i think american sucks really bad and americans should ban together to expose its suckiness ! i also voted for Sanjaya for 2 straight hours. the best time to vote is 9:30pm when the phones arn't busy. and redial works great. sanjaya is gonna need us people !! :D |
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| yourmother |
Posted: April 7, 2007 - 12:42pm |
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Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| ^^You must be a kid if you were at camp sometime in the past few years. If so, you have way too much hate for a young person. Sad. Calm down, and stay in school -- you need remedial spelling classes! |
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| GoodVibes |
Posted: April 8, 2007 - 12:13pm |
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Joined: 08 Apr 2007
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| I know a girl with an AMAZING singing voice, seriously, I've never known someone who could sing like her. She only made it past the first round and didn't even make it to see the judges...but people like William Hung make it? Yeah it's definitely not based on talent as much as it is on entertainment. After all, many people only watch the auditions part of the show because it's the most entertaining. |
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| TrishXcore |
Posted: April 8, 2007 - 4:30pm |
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Joined: 08 Apr 2007
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| blah. so true.
I waited for freakin ever 10 hrs
then was almost not seen becuz of time.... which is way lame I had to sneak into a group and even the better singers then I didnt get through.
Lame..
appreently I had too strong of a voice for this season , they weren't lookin for that.
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much love- Trish(is hardxcore)
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| SimonCrowell |
Posted: April 9, 2007 - 11:02am |
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Joined: 02 Apr 2007
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| Are you really that delirious America? Of course this is all about ratings and the exploitation of stupid people. My favorite part about this is that we win no matter what!
Love the show? Great - sit back for your enhanced HD radiation lobotomy and allow yourself to believe that there is even a dabble of integrity or honesty to the process. Hate the show? Even better - stir the pot and cause the devoted "intelligentsia" to attempt to expose the show for the fraud that it is, all the while creating publicity and scandal. Couldn't care less but watch because of the controversy? Hah - we've got you all right where we want you! All that mattters is that we have you!
Where else in the world could I become famous by being the horses ass that I am? I am set for life and you pay to air your opinions on websites that don't earn what I make in 10 minutes. This is an incredible country. god save the queen! (That's me of course)
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| yeahiagree |
Posted: April 9, 2007 - 4:47pm |
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Joined: 09 Apr 2007
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| i totally agree with everything i myself tried out this year in memphis tn and i didnt make it past the first round which was actually the 2nd day anyway i think i can sing but the girl in front of me was the best singer i have ever heard in my life kelly has nothing on her and they told her shes not what they are looking for and bye and i got sooo pissed off i could have tipped the taple over but of course they have security guards so all i can say is keep up the good work -michael smith aka:billy |
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| tyber90 |
Posted: April 9, 2007 - 6:12pm |
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| I agree in part with what the site is all about but, having said that, I find the concept of voting for the worst performer to be faulty logic. Clearly it would be far and away better to adopt some of the suggestions that KT mentions but 'Reality' TV with the bunch of garbage programs that they promote these days just wasn't gonna allow that to happen. I enjoyed reading her story of her experiences and I was truly annoyed at injustices present with the contest. All that being said though, my own moral code tends to make me adopt the same stand that she has taken, I'll vote for the performers that I felt really shined and Sanjaya quite simply has not and does not fall into that catagory.
KT's heart is in the right place and her comments have been spot on.
Late,
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| 80Amps |
Posted: April 10, 2007 - 7:24am |
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| Your position is now well understood, and you say nothing I would disagree with KT.
Ya know, I wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised if a few of the contestants actually get to circumvent the auditioning process. In other words, the producers might have seen or heard of one or two of them before the auditions, and decided then that they would be good for the show. In these cases, the contestants never even stand in line. |
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| 80Amps |
Posted: April 10, 2007 - 9:14am |
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| The best the producers of American Idol can do to gather the best talent they can would be to send out scouts to check out performances at various public venues nation wide (on an on-going basis), and/or maybe go through small talent agencies and/or small record companies to see what demos they might have to offer etc. AI could even host it’s own web site like youtube to collect demo videos so that they could send out invitations to compete. In an effort to “find the best undiscovered talent”, there is definitely much better methods than trying to quickly go through thousands of locals waiting in line. But you know what? Then the show would not be what it is, which is the most watched Television show on TV!! Let’s face it. American Idol is not a televised talent contest. It’s a television show based on the concept of a talent contest. The contest serves the show. Not the other way around. For that reason alone, it should be obvious how you’re bound to get a certain degree of “unfairness” or “dishonesty” in the competition. But even so, the show does display one very important degree of honesty. That is the aspirations of those that make it to the stage where they are to be subjected to the public vote. Why ruin it for them by making the show an even bigger fiasco than what it already is according to the perceptions of those that disagree with the auditioning process? But that’s a point I already presented, one that’s besides the point of this post. The point here is this: American Idol did not get as big and successful by being as fair and honest as it possible can. No enterprise that large does!! But that says more about American culture than it does about the show.
So yeah, I agree with KT (and you). You can do what you will to expose the show for what it is if you want (as if it would come as a big surprise), but like KT suggests, you should react in a manner that’s not so inconsiderate of the more important matter. You don’t have to do it at the expense of the kids that benefit from the show!! That only makes the show even more worthless no matter how “entertaining” you find Simon and his clown cohort to be.
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Could the show be turning down real talent? Could there be more to the audition process than we all think? Of course! Votefortheworst.com has known all about the ridiculous audition process for quite some time, so we’ve decided to do even more research to show you what really goes down at the cattle calls. If you think that American Idol is actually a talent competition, read on, and let us change your mind.
AUDITION MYTH #1: "The auditions take place over one or two days and everyone gets to see Simon, Paula, and Randy."
In actuality, the contestants are at the auditions for about a week before they even see the Loathsome Threesome. An MSNBC article explains:
So the wannabe Idols first have to try out in groups of four for a number of random producers. Then, they try out one-by-one in front of the executive producers. And finally, they try out in front of our favorite boozehound and her cohorts. This is why so many people lose their jobs to try out for the show; they have to attend auditions for a week before they even know if they’re going to Hollywood.
So what happens during these earlier auditions? Well for one thing, those obnoxious song montages that usually end the episodes are filmed then. It’s not a coincidence that all of the bad singers decided to sing the same song. Jennifer Sieminski, who made it to Hollywood during American Idol's fifth season, admits that those segments are not “even recorded in front of Simon, Paula and Randy.”
Apparently, each city has a “city song” that everyone must sing so that the producers can make the lame montages. The producers even force the people who audition to wear the same clothes to each audition so the viewers at home think the auditions all took place over the span of 1 or 2 days. They messed up with Crystal Parizanski, the overly tan girl who auditioned in Chicago for American Idol 5, who was wearing a completely different outfit during the “Lady Marmalade” montage at the end of the episode. This obviously showed that she had been there for at least a few days.
AUDITION MYTH #2: "We see a truthful depiction of each audition."
Obviously all television shows use editing to condense footage and tell stories. Reality TV, though, is particularly guilty of using editing to completely change the facts of a situation and craft stories that didn’t happen. The fact that so many rounds of auditions exist provide the producers with ample footage to cut and paste as they please. Robert Solomon (check out his MySpace), the movie projectionist who tried out for American Idol 4, was surprised to see himself singing “Dancing in the Streets” in front of the celebrity judges when his audition episode aired, because “Dancing” was the city song he was forced to sing:
So apparently, the show even goes back to record extra judge commentary that didn’t even take place. Obviously, the point of having week-long auditions isn’t just to weed out the singers the producers don’t want; it’s also to get extra footage to splice in at different points. Robert goes into more detail to prove his point for those who might not believe him, explaining that he “had also helped them out by wearing the same outfit to both auditions” as we pointed out. He also made the following valid points on why it’s obvious that the events didn’t happen the way we saw them in the show:
The producers must have found Robert’s “Dancing in the Street” much more amusing than his actual audition in front of the judges, so they used that instead. Of course, if Robert’s audition was creatively edited, it’s highly likely that most of the other auditions were as well.
AUDITION MYTH #3: "The bad singers are not encouraged by the producers."
Crystal Parizanski looked silly during her time on the show due in part to her excessive use of makeup. But was that her choice? Crystal talked to Mix 96 Montreal in a radio interview about her experience on the show. She had this to say:
Now Crystal doesn’t come off as a beacon of intelligence, but it does make it a little less funny when someone like her was tricked into looking stupider. Crystal also mentioned in the interview how her time on the show was edited and that the producers took clips from some of her auditions and put them together to make her look dumber.
AUDITION MYTH #4: "The good singers always make it through."
Even if there are many stages to the audition process, it seems like the good singers will always triumph and continue on in the competition. The producers only like to mess with the bad singers, right? Well, that's not correct at all either. In fact, the first judging process is so ridiculously random, we wonder why anyone even bothers to try out.
As we previously mentioned, the first round of auditions takes place in front of a group producers at a table, who likely aren’t even very qualified to judge a competition (then again, this never stopped Simon, Paula, and Randy). Each singer tries out with 3 other singers for these producers. After singing for a mere 15 seconds, you are told whether you’re moving on or going home. The producers are usually only on the lookout for people with stories that will sell on TV or people who will make incredible fools of themselves. One auditioner figured out that there are good tables and bad tables, meaning that it's possible that the bad tables just pass on everyone and won’t let anyone through to the next round. What if a good singer gets stuck at a bad table? Well, good luck next year! Blogger Matthew Paul David wrote about his experience at the Seattle auditions:
Of course, this sounds highly technical and very efficient at making sure all good singers get through to the next round… not. Afraidofpop shared her audition experience at the East Rutherford auditions this year:
Obviously if you’re going to cut someone who blows an entire room away, the process is either flawed or not really looking for good singers.
AUDITION MYTH #5: "Everyone has a shot at becoming the American Idol."
Jennifer also mentions in that interview that Katharine McPhee was acting like a gigantic bitch all week and that the two of them had a fight on camera.
This confrontation was obviously never shown because the show was painting Katharine as the humble girl with a beautiful voice. Of course, by the end of the show it was fairly obvious that Katharine was indeed a spoiled brat who forgot lyrics quite a few times because it’s tough to edit something out of a live show. But the producers got their “humble, sweet girl” contestant in Katharine for quite a while before her true colors came out.
Basically, the American Idol auditions are not actually auditions for a singing competition; they’re auditions for a reality television show. Why haven’t we heard more about this before? Well the people who make it to the finals are happy to have made it that far and have no bone to pick, and people tend to not believe the complaints of the contestants who were edited poorly. Also, all of the contestants (even William Hung and other people who don’t make it far at all) have to sign ridiculously long contracts that forbid them from revealing Idol’s secrets. Still don’t believe us? How about hearing it straight from the horse’s mouth? Idol producer Ken Warwick interviewed with Foxes on Idol last year. In one section, Kenny admits that the Austin auditions for season 5 were edited very creatively:
While this may have been about one isolated incident, the Austin auditions, Kenny said, “Clearly, that didn’t happen the way it is, we add things.” And if the producers have no problem leaving out that a giant hurricane made them bring certain auditioners to other cities, they certainly don’t have a problem changing smaller details as well.
__________________________So what advice do we have for the budding American Idol hopeful? First of all, don’t try out. If you’re actually talented, there are many better ways to get your name out there. But if you must try out, at least invent some kind of good story. Cry a lot on camera. Basically become a fame whore like Kellie Pickler. The producers love that. Most of all, don’t have a mind of your own like Taylor Hicks, who refused to sing his coronation song until a new one was written for him. It might make the producers mad that their puppet is talking back to them. Though if you’re willing to sell your dignity, American Idol may actually be the perfect venue for you! Just don’t say we didn’t warn you.