Analog_Kid
Posted: 5/10/2012 at 10:42 PM Reply with quote
Location: Middletown

Can people at least try to stick to some kind of factual framework and stop with the race baiting? Thanks.

blooncrazy
Posted: 5/10/2012 at 10:44 PM Reply with quote
Location: Indianapolis

Continually amused that people still consider AI a contest subject to federal regulation. It is a "reality based entertainment" and no gaming/vote verification rules apply. Either watch the show for the fun of it, or stop watching, because voting only exists provides advertising revenue dollars to TPTB.


It's crap, you tards. It's not real.


Yeah, yeah, Dave. . . I know. . . preaching to the choir.


The Mayan calendar prophesy cannot come true too quickly to suit THIS Worster. It will mean this is "your final FINAL American Idull!"

lakerman
Posted: 5/10/2012 at 10:49 PM Reply with quote
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You people must have forgotten Elton John's accusation that AI was racist because blacks got voted off. And that was the season that Fantasia Barrino somehow won it all? And Jennifer Hudson had been voted off. Is it possible that race entered into the producers' minds with Fantasia, who turned out, in spite of every opportunity, to be a dud? She was handed a broadway role in The Color Purple, and sank like a rock! Corn bread and collard greens?


The Voice just selected a black gospel singer as winner. AI may be on the verge of selecting another black gospel singer as winner. How many people buy gospel records?

And that winner on X Factor, whatever her name is? How is she doing? And remember how Simon pulled the stunt to get her back into competition?


coachb12
Posted: 5/10/2012 at 10:55 PM Reply with quote

Analog,you may be right.I'm just reporting what the writer of the aricle was told when he presented his case to The FCC.The FCC told the reporter even if what he claimed was true scripted entertainment is ok.Just like wrestling.If I remember correctly the reporter was from MSNBC.

sandina
Posted: 5/10/2012 at 11:05 PM Reply with quote

It makes no real difference once the obvious stinkeroonies in the top 12 are sent packing how many people vote by phone, text or online. It all boils down to who the producers think will make Interscope the most money. Same thing on "The Voice" and "AGT," except it's NBCUniversal. If it were truly about pure talent and not marketability, there would be no age limits. ("BGT" used to be about pure talent until Paul Potts won and Susan Boyle nearly won, and the producers' record label bean-counters nearly threw themselves into the Thames in a panic--turns out that enough of my fellow-geezer demographic ignored Boyle's Asperger-inflected phrasing and scooped up at least her debut CD if only for the novelty factor). If you think I'm being a bit cynical here, remember a few years back when, after "Senior Idol" died a quick and merciful death, the "Today" show decided to run its own singing competition for "normal people?" Buried in the rules was an upper age limit of 42. No surprise, since grand prize was a major-label record contract. (Which is why I never tried out for any of these shows despite others' urging--I'd rather entertain fans one-on-one in coffeehouses, house concerts and writers' rounds). So Interscope is betting on a teenage diva, a male R&B/gospel powerhouse not seen since Vandross died, and a guitar-slinging cougar-tween-DMBfan-magnet who will cross over into AAA radio for awhile till someone truly original comes along (unless Cocker dies and Matthews retires).


So let's see--why did Bidet, Sancheese, and Pee Too make it into the top 3? Even though Hollie has a voice reminiscent of Melissa Manchester in her prime, she has the off-mic personality of not the girl-next-door but the shy neurotic girl next door. And not in a funny Woody Allen or Rita Rudner--or humble Sally Field "you really like me!"--way either; but in a way that makes you want not to comfort and reassure her but instead turn away awkwardly because you really don't know what to say to keep her from falling apart. It's not a matter of she "can't make us love" her, but rather, she's never sure we LIKE her. Sort of reverse stage fright--not afraid of the performance but terrified of its aftermath. Add to that the fact she's so blandly nice (as opposed to Taylor Swift perkily nice) that there is utterly nothing there for even the most creative publicist to hang her Tweets on. No P.R.=no press=no sales.


Jessica is a lifelong showbiz kid, even if neither of her parents were pros. It's in her culture: musical performance ability is to modern Filipino families as mere academic ability is to other ethnicities (make no mistake about it, that musical ability also has to be accompanied by academic prowess). If a middle-class Filipina-American kid can't get into conservatory, she'd damn well better get into med or grad school...preferably both. (My husband's partner in his medical practice is one of 12 Filipina kids and it's only her achievement as a doctor that's kept her mom from comparing her unfavorably to her Grammy-nominated sax-playing Ph.D biochemist brother. Tip: if you are invited to a Filipino dinner or holiday party, put down the mic and back away from the karaoke system unless you can throw it down vocally with the best of them). Though she's only 16 and has had NONE of the life experiences in the lyrics she sings, you'd better believe she's studied every note in the performances of every diva who HAS lived those songs. By osmosis, it was impossible for her not to have become a good actress as a singer. Poor Hollie, having grown up in a completely different small-town culture where she was expected to be merely smart, diligent and a "mensch," didn't stand a chance. Maybe 5-10 years of life experience (including, alas, rejection) in both romance and the music industry will give her the nuance, proportion and instincts she so desperately needs to temper her vocal firepower. She's nonetheless the best #4 finisher since Daughtry.


Poor Joshua. I really, really feel for the guy even when he makes my ears bleed. In this day & age when LGBTs are finally being accepted by a majority of Americans (and embraced by fans), he still is afraid to come out. He doesn't dare--he's a PK (Preacher's Kid), and not in the United Church of Christ or MCC either: traditional African-American Protestant, which is as socially conservative as any LDS, Orthodox Jewish or pre-Vatican II Catholic congregation. It nearly breaks my heart when he speaks, as if he so dearly wishes to finally be openly true to himself. (There's a small chance that he talks that way because while Papa was on the pulpit, he had mostly female role models raising him--just as even some straight male figure skaters speak in a sterotypically gay manner because they grew up mostly among women, girls and gay men as their auditory points of reference).


That brings us to Phil. (Enough with the "Phillip" already, it's getting too cutesy and will annoy deejays in record time--no pun intended but I'll take it). Gotta admit that though his vocal range is limited and his ear for pitch erratic, as a WGWG on Idol he's probably the best acoustic guitarist they've had in the finals....except for Bowersox, whom I've heard leave her fellow Chicago open mikers slack-jawed with her guitar chops. And though he's almost certainly in violation of his AI contract by skipping all those video and photo shoots (c'mon, nobody can time their kidney stones THAT accurately), it's not just us Worsters and his cougar-tweenie-Matthews wannabe fanbase that'll put him over the top. The producers know that his anti-authoritarian yet sociologically unthreatening mien is exactly what they need to cynically "prove" to a jaded and disgusted music-consumer public that the music industry recognizes some individuality.......even if that individuality is derivative as hell.


At this point, I don't really care who wins. Except for Clarkson & Underwood, the Idol finalists with the most robust and enduring careers have been the also-rans. Everyone in the Final Four this year will land on their feet in the music industry (as have their predecessors--even Doolittle is quietly pulling in triple session scale and will make a lifelong living rather than a brief killing)...it's up to the winner to stay there.


What really fries me is why Chris Mann chose that commercial piece of schlock "You Raise Me Up" as his "classical" piece in "The Voice's" finals, when he'd have wiped the floor with everyone else had he done "Nessun Dorma" or "Vesti La Giubba," (Wrong series, I know--just hadda vent).





SemiTard
Posted: 5/10/2012 at 11:08 PM Reply with quote

Hi coachb12.

Go back to your earlier post and see if you can tell me where the story falls apart:

Quote "coachb12":
I read an article about a reporter who told The FCC that AI ignored the votes and TPTB decided who advanced.The reporter was told an entertainmemt show with scripted results was perfectly legal.It is just like Vince McMahon deciding which wrestler wins.The game show scandal cheated people out of prize money.If the singers know the show is a fake and they get paid to be actors knowing what is going to happen no crime is involved.If a conspiracy cheats the other contestants that is a another story.

Have you figured it out from the bold, or should I tell you?

GuitarMan
Posted: 5/10/2012 at 11:12 PM Reply with quote

The whole night was completely predictable, almost beyond endurance to listen to all the 3 stooges comments again, and the deep love they have for their own wit & wisdom.


They are relieved to get rid of Hollie, who was taking some attention away from J. Lo.



damientheomen3
Posted: 5/10/2012 at 11:29 PM Reply with quote
Location: New Jersey

Quote "SemiTard":
Quote "damientheomen3":
If Phillip withdrew, that would be perfect. They would have to bring Hollie back, and considering most of PP's fans have had to deal with the incessant pimping of Joshua and Jessica for weeks now I'm 100% sure they'd back Hollie completely, and her fans would definitely be voting full force. With VFTW votes thrown in we could actually get Hollie into the final for the biggest WTF since... well, The Voice on Tuesday I guess.

No, it wouldn't. You can dream all you want, fantard. Just don't do it here.





Umm... wow. I absolutely hate Hollie, although not nearly as much as the two overpimped queens. I like Philip, but feel like TPTB abandoned his cause because they saw VFTW was supporting him, and as a result a Jessica-Jessica (what would be the female characterization of Joshua anyway?) is looking nearly as obvious as a David-David final when Syesha was the '3rd wheel' so to speak. Hollie's making the finals would have a decent amount of strength behind it if that unlikely string of events carries out, and Hollie in the finals of AI would be the ultimate WTF because she has absolutely no business being there.


And tell me one thing: if I'm a Hollie fantard, why would I have insulted her in my own post that you quoted? Dumbass.

Purgatory
Posted: 5/10/2012 at 11:36 PM Reply with quote
Location: Earth

sandina, thanks for that wonderful novel you wrote. It's good to see you put soooooo much thought in AI. Also, thank you for giving me the 411 on what to do if I am ever invited to a Filipino karaoke dinner party. I've always worried about what to do when (and it will!) that happens.


I am sorry to see Hollie go. I was really hoping for a Bit O' Brit/PP sing off.



SemiTard
Posted: 5/10/2012 at 11:40 PM Reply with quote

Quote "damientheomen3":
And tell me one thing: if I'm a Hollie fantard, why would I have insulted her in my own post that you quoted? Dumbass.



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